HRFA Report and Findings from Trip to Hampshire, England
2 October 2011
Written by Carol Merrell
- Follow-up from April 2011 HRFA meeting:
- Have not completed research on grandchildren of James (KJCG-26H) and Mary Ann Norgate, and will put this project on hold until I finish direct-line documentation project for book.
- Documentation for Book of Henry Rampton’s Ancestors:
I have finished documenting Henry Rampton’s maternal line. I have obtained digitized copies of all documents associated with each direct-line ancestor. I have added that documentation along with the actual text to the New Family Search Website. The best way to see the documentation is to find the ancestor, click on “individual sources” on the summary or detail pages, and scroll down until you find my name. The “actual text” is just as it is written in the original document with misspelled words and abbreviations. I hope this will help all to know what has been proven and what has not in each document.
What I have learned:
- Westerton/Windebank – few leads to extend line
- Findon – No leads to extend line. We know from the marriage document that Susanna Finden is of Bradley, Hampshire. The records of the Bradley Parish begin 1725 at the FHL and HRO, too late for Susanna’s christening. I need to check periodically to see if HRO acquires these missing records.
- Lovelock – few leads to extend line. There is a Lovelock Family Website at http://lovelock.free.fr Note: Be aware of error when looking at this site. They state, “Susanna Findon (KJD2-SV8) was born on 3 Apr 1711 in Faringdon, Hampshire, England.” This is what I found in Hampshire Record Office Fiche #2M70/PR2 Faringdon, Hampshire, England CMB 1653-1713, “Ann ye daughter of John Finden and Martha his wife was baptized April ye 3d 1711.” The given name is “Ann”, not “Susanna.” It was not customary to record a nickname instead of the given name in the church records.
- Smith – Did not find the documentation that Angela Petersen added to our line for John Smith (LH16-YQ3), christened 24 Jun 1627 in Ropley. I have a digitized copy of the page it should be on in the Parish Registers of Ropley, Hampshire, England, 1538-1876, FHL Film #1041298 (Ropley Doc 007). This needs more research to find where the error is.
- Russell – End of parish records 1557. Will need help from Arlene Eakle to extend the line.
- Garrett – Found birth dates for several children of Thomas Garrett (M2VV-SN5) I now believe that Henry (LCX6-LDP) may be a brother instead of a son. Needs further research with help of Arlene Eakle.
- Hood/Crockford – good leads to extend this line as well as collateral research.
- Norgett – few leads to extend line, but lots of work can be done on collateral research. Needs further work on New Family Search to straighten out the confusion between the two couples, John Norgett & Mary Brown md 2 Aug 1746 in Newton Valence and John Norgett & Mary Hood md 6 Apr 1746 in Ropley. Mary Brown and Mary Hood have been combined in New Family Search, but they are two separate people. More research and documentation will help straighten the problems. Another problem to be solved – there are two John Norgates (L71Z-PT2 and 27S5-CG2) with the same burial date of 23 Oct 1766.
- Collateral Research
It is easiest to report numbers. The Henry Rampton PAF File on CD by Angela Petersen contains 250 individuals. I have used a copy of this CD to record all my work and now have 659 individuals with documentation. This is a working copy and continues to grow.
- My Trip to Hampshire, England
I visited the parishes of Pamber, Monk Sherbourne, Northington, Old Alresford, Ropley, Medstead, Herriard, Ovington, and Cheriton). What a delight to see the places I have been researching in! I also visited the Hampshire Record Office and the Hampshire Genealogical Society.
What I learned:
- Old Alresford – Obtained a copy of the 1969 church yard burial sites, before the headstones of our Rampton ancestors were moved to the outer walls of the church yard (Old Alresford Img 701, Old Alresford Img 702, Old Alresford Img 702a, & Old Alresford Img 702b). I learned where the Ramptons are laid to rest. The footstone of Elizabeth Rampton, daughter of Wm and Maria, with her initials, “E.R.” still remains in its original place which gives us a point of reference (Old Alresford Img 811a & Old Alresford Img 815).
Most importantly, I learned that Sarah Hoy (Henry Rampton’s oldest sister) was buried next to the Ramptons. (We thought she was married to James Hoy and buried in London.) We found her burial date in the church records at the Hampshire Record Office and learned that she was living in Bishops’ Sutton at the time of her death. This opened up a new trail of information.
Sarah Rampton Stair Hoy (K2FZ-PM1) Time Line:
Christening: 24 Nov 1822, Old Alresford (Old Alresford Doc 002)
Marriage: March qtr 1850 Timothy Stair and Sarah Rampton, Whitchurch District
1851 Census of Alresford
Timothy Stair, head, age 27, Brimpton, Berk.
Sarah Stair, wf, 27, Alresford, Hampshire
Burial: Timothy Stair of Alresford, 4 Nov 1851, Brimpton, Berkshire, England
(Brimpton Doc 001)
Sarah Stair was named on Frances Hack Rampton’s death certificate, 10 Sep 1857. Frances Rampton was her grandmother (Old Alresford Doc 013a, copyright protected).
Marriage: 10 Aug 1863 Frederick Hoy and Sarah Stair, daughter of William Rampton, at Preston-Candover (Preston-Candover Doc 003)
1871 Census of St. Pancras
Frederick Hoy head 39 Triplow, Cambs
Sarah wf 48 Old Alresford Hants
Frederick J son 13 Westminster
Edward T son 11 St Pancras
1881 Census of New Alresford
Frederick Hoy head 49 Licenced Victular born Treplow, Cambs
Sarah wf 58 Alresford, Hants
1891 Census of Bishops Sutton
Frederick Hoy Head 59 Farmer born Triplow Cambs.
Sarah wf 68 Alresford, Hants.
Burial of Sarah Hoy 20 March 1894, abode – Bishops Sutton (Hampshire Record Office)
Headstone (Old Alresford Img 814)
- Herriard – Found the site of “The Forge” used by John Rampton b. 1667, Thomas Rampton b. 1701, and Thomas Rampton b. 1734. The Building of the Herriard & Lasham District Branch of the Royal British Legion has been built around the old forge to preserve it. I was told that the original rock wall surrounding the forge is still intact and the room inside the rock walls is used as the main meeting room for the Legion members. Directions: Travel on A339 through Herriard and turn at the road sign leading to Southrope. Follow the road until you reach the Royal British Legion building on the left side of road near the corner of Hockley Lane.
- Hampshire Record Office –
I signed a copyright agreement before taking pictures of these original documents. I will have to get permission if we are to use them in the book. They do need to be in the book! These documents are Rampton family treasures! The most important find in regards to research is #2, proof that John Rampton owned land in Odiham. The signature on the blacksmith document #3 matches the signature on the lease agreement #2. Another lead is in #8, the transfer of land between William Rampton & James Windebank in 1836 in Old Alresford.
Note: I received permission on 2 Nov 2011 to publish these documents on the family website and in our future book of Henry Rampton’s Ancestors.
HRO permission to publish
- Hampshire Record Office: 44M69/E2/49
Lease of messuage and 2 closes of pasture or arable called Woodisons 4a and several parcels of arable land in the common fields of Southrope for 11 years, to John Rampton of Herriard, blacksmith, 2 Oct 1690
Herriard Doc 094 – land record
Herriard Doc 094a – cover page
- Hampshire Record Office: 44M69/E8/2/95
Description: Bundle of memoranda and notes by Thomas Jervoise III re his Hampshire estates
1705-1730 – memorandum of agreement between Nathaniel Edwards and John Rampton re a tenement called Goodyers in Odiham, 9 Apr 1721
Odiham Doc 004 – land record
Odiham Doc 004a – cover page
Transcription of Document 44M69/E8/2/95 by Carol Merrell
Twas yn (then) agreed between Nathaniel Edwards & John Rampton yt (that) in consideration of ye(the) said Nathaniel Edwards paying ye remainder of ye purchase money at ye next Odiham court so ye said John Rampton on ye said John Rampton & His wifes conveying all theyr rights in a tenemt called Goodyers: ye said John Rampton does agree to assign his lease of ye said tenemt for 3 years to come from Michaelmass last to next Edwards who is to pay this rent from Michaelmass last & if Ann Rampton will not confirm lease of her 4th part of yt bargain for ye term above mentioned ye shall be no breach of ye present bargain: n: b: Nth: Edwards is to pay John Rampton seven pounds seaventeen shillings for ye wheat sowed last winter at Goodyers in witness whereof they have hereunto met theyr hands of day & year above written.
Witness – Tho Jervoise Nath: Edwards
- b. Twas agreed yt John Rampton should carry of ten load of dung: and ye rice new cut in ye coppice
Witness – T Jervoise”
- Hampshire Record Office: 44M69/E8/2/28 Blacksmiths/metal working accounts of John Rampton for Thomas Jervoise Apr 1706 – Sep 1709
Herriard Doc 095 – itemized record & signature
Herriard Doc 095a – cover page
Herriard Doc 095b – itemized record
Herriard Doc 095c – itemized record
Herriard Doc 095d – itemized record
Herriard Doc 095e – itemized record
Herriard Doc 095h – blacksmith nail holding papers together
- Hampshire Record Office: 44M69/E8/2/29
Blacksmiths/metal working accounts of Thomas Rampton for Thomas Jervoise
25 Mar 1734 – 3 Oct 1736
Herriard Docs 096 – itemized record & signature
Herriard Docs 096a – cover tag
Herriard Docs 096c – itemized record
Herriard Docs 096d – itemized record
Herriard Docs 096e – bundles of blacksmith bills
- Hampshire Record Office: 47M81/PD5
Papers concerning inclosure and common rights 1738-1793
Description: Item 2: brief for the plaintiff in lawsuit between William Searle and William Hall, concerning pasturage in Whitmansley Down or Wood, with depositions of William Lewington the elder and the younger, John Frost and Thomas Rampton, extracts from late 16th -century custumal, and short legal opinion of (Serjeant) William Davy, 1770
(1 Jan 1765)
“Thomas Rampton aged upwards of 70 years Saith that he well remembers when he was a boy that there way always appointed two men every year to look after the commons and to take an account of the sheep and sheep commons that no person surcharged the same and kept above two sheep to an acre and saith that his ffather was one of those men appointed for that purpose.”
- Hampshire Record Office: 44M69/E13/3/1
Bundle of blacksmith’s bills, receipts and accounts for work done by Thomas Rampton 1792-1797
Herriard Doc 097 – signature
Herriard Doc 097b – cover page
- Hampshire Record Office: 44M69/E13/3/2
Bundle of blacksmith’s bills, receipts and accounts for work done by Thomas and Richard Rampton 1798
“Received 31st Dec 1798 of G.P. Jervoise Esq the Sum of Twenty Eight pounds Ten Shillings & nine pence three farthing for Bills of Blacksmiths work Done & Delivered within the year 1798 ending this Day L28.10.9 ¾ By us Thom Rampton Richard Rampton”
“Dec 31st 1798
Richard Rampton & Thos Rampton/the Father/ bills Blacksmith’s Herriard Hants L28..10..9 ¾ Pd
Novr 1798 The aforesaid Thos Rampton, the Father, relinquished the Business of a Blacksmith in favor of his son Richard Bampton on condition that the said Richard Rampton shows his Father from the Profits of the Business the weekly stipend of eight shillings”
Note by Carol Merrell: Thomas billed for last services on 3 Dec 1798 and signed his name for payment received. The next bill on 10 Dec 1798 was for services by R Rampton. Richard’s handwriting appears to be on previous bills with the exception of Thomas Rampton’s signature.
Herriard Doc 098 – cover notes
Herriard Doc 098b – Itemized record with Thomas Rampton’s signature
Hampshire Record Office: 44M69/E13/3/3 Receipt for payment of G. P. Jervoise 31 Dec 1799
Copy of court roll, Old Alresford manor
Description Surrender by Thomas Newman of Potters Bar, South Mimms, Middx, labourer; Hannah his wife (widow of John Bishop and formerly Hannah King); William King of Old Alresford, labourer; James Windebank of Ropley, carpenter; Lucy his wife (formerly Lucy King), of the southern part of one messuage adjoining the messuage of Robert Keene, in the occupation of Daniel Dacre, to the use of William Rampton of Old Alresford, blacksmith, 21 Sep 1836
Old Alresford Doc 037
Transcription by Carol Merrell
Old Alresford Manor – At the Turnof St Martin with the Court Baron of the said manor there held the twenty first day of September in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and thirty six.
At this Court before the Steward and in presence of the Homage Thomas Newman of Potters Barr in the parish of South Mimms in the County of Middlesex Laborer and Hannah his wife late the wife and afterwards the widow of John Bishop formerly Hannah King, widow, William King of the Old Alresford Laborer James Windebank of Ropley in the County of Southampton carpenter and Lucy his wife late Lucy King, spinster (they the said Hannah and Lucy being first solely and secretly examined)surrendered into the hands of the Lord of the said Manor The South part of one messuage adjoining to the messuage now or late of Robert Keene, that is to say, two low Rooms and two chambers and one parcel of Garden ground lying on the East and South parts of the said Messuage as the same is now separated and divided by hedges and other fences (late parcel of one Messuage with a garden and one parcel of the yard on the North part of the said Messuage containing twenty seven feet by the yearly rent of 6 pounds) as the same is now in the occupation of Daniel Dacre and held by the yearly rent of three pence To the use and behoof of William Rampton of Old Alresford in the said county of Southampton Blacksmith and his heirs according to the custom of the said Manor Thos Newman – Hannah Newman X her mark – William King – James Windebank – Lucy Windebank – Taken before Jno He Gell. Steward ——
Examined by Jno HyGell
Deputy Clerk of the Bishopric of Winchester
Goals for next HRFA Meeting in April
- Finish documenting paternal line of Henry Rampton for Book
- Finish documenting Henry Rampton’s siblings, nieces & nephews.
- Finish correcting errors in the Charles Rampton file (LHCC-ZSC, brother of Henry) by working with New Zealand Ramptons and New Family Search
- Start working on the Norgate problems listed in #2 above as well as Norgate collateral lines.