Victorian Map of Northern Hampshire, England
An Oral Report of Rampton Family History Research
by Arlene Eakle
The Genealogical Institute
P.O. Box 129, Tremonton, UT 84337-0129
2 October 2011
I have some documents that I would like to show you along with the lease agreement of John Rampton and Nathaniel Edwards for property in Odiham that Carol showed you.
What I did when Carol told me that she had found this document, and it mentioned Nathaniel Edwards; I went looking in a whole section of documents, all written in Latin. It surprised me that in the 1720’s they were still writing in Latin. I found the other documents that go with this one. I’m going to pass them around and let you look, and then I’ll tell you about the documents. There are several pages that document the lease agreement.
Hampsire Record Office – 44M69/E8/2/95 with copyright permission to publish:
Odiham Doc 004, Land Record of John Rampton & Nathaniel Edwards 1721
Transcription of the above Land Record of John Rampton & Nathaniel Edwards 1721, Hampshire Record Office: 44M69/E8/2/95, Description: Bundle of memoranda and notes by Thomas Jervoise III re his Hampshire estates 1705-1730 – Memorandum of agreement between Nathaniel Edwards and John Rampton re a tenement called Goodyers in Odiham
April 9 1721
Twas yn (then) agreed between Nathaniel Edwards & John Rampton yt (that) in consideration of ye (the) said Nathaniel Edwards paying ye remainder of ye purchase money at ye next Odiham court so ye said John Rampton on ye said John Rampton & His wifes conveying all theyr rights in a tenemt called Goodyers: ye said John Rampton does agree to assign his lease of ye said tenemt for 3 years to come from Michaelmass last to next Edwards who is to pay this rent from Michaelmass last & if Ann Rampton will not confirm lease of her 4th part of yt bargain for ye term above mentioned ye shall be no breach of ye present bargain: n: b: Nth: Edwards is to pay John Rampton seven pounds seaventeen shillings for ye wheat sowed last winter at Goodyers in witness whereof they have hereunto met theyr hands of day & year above written.
Witness – Tho Jervoise Nath: Edwards John Rampton
n.b. Twas agreed yt John Rampton should carry of ten load of dung: and ye rice new cut in ye coppice
Witness – T Jervoise”
The following documents are written in Latin:
Odiham Doc 006, Land Record of John Rampton & Nathaniel Edwards 1721
Odiham Doc 006a, Land Record of John Rampton & Nathaniel Edwards 1721
Odiham Doc 006b, Land Record of John Rampton & Nathaniel Edwards 1721
Odiham Doc 006c, Land Record of John Rampton & Nathaniel Edwards 1721
These are called “fines and recoveries.” I looked them up to make sure that I didn’t steer you wrong, but it was as I thought. When you have a recovery, you don’t usually have documentation. You don’t have a physical document to support what you are going to claim. So, you go into the court and report that you own this land, then there are other people that come in to say, “Yes, it’s been that way time out of mind,” or “As long as we can ever recall, it’s been owned by this family.” Then the court will record it, and the documents are created by the sheriff of the county.
It is somewhat similar to our time a few years ago. Today, if you don’t have a document, we now have title insurance, and it goes through title insurance where we give testimony and so forth. Before that, the sheriff would issue a new document based upon what you claimed and what you could support because there wasn’t a recorded document. That is what the recovery is; to recover the documentation of the ownership of the land.
The fine is what is really, really important. It does involve, usually the payment of a fee. It’s not a fine in the normal term that we use today. What the fine is, is an agreement for the land that you claim and that the right to the land is vested in one person and everybody agrees who that person is going to be who has the title to that land. This is done in court before the Lord of the Manor or his steward. Then the new tenant who is going to acquire the right to this land pays his fee to the Lord. The new tenant can either be an heir to the person who owns the land, or it can be a widow of that person. Neither the heir or the widow cantake control of the property until this process has been done.
Odiham Doc 007, Land Record of John Rampton & Maria Goodyer
Odiham Doc 007a, Land Record of John Rampton & Maria Goodyer
Odiham Doc 007b, Land Record of John Rampton & Maria Goodyer
These documents are also in Latin. And they are really, really significant. The one that I am going to show you now is with John Rampton and Maria Goodyer. I do not know who Maria Goodyer is. The first document that I passed around is in Latin and John’s wife, Elizabeth, is mentioned. The two of them are involved, but this second one is with Maria Goodyer. The Goodyers are Lords of the Manor and landed people in that area. They are related to the Jervoises, Lords of the Manor in Herriard, so you will see his name in the document in 1721–that Carol found by using the index. I’m sure that the reason these other documents are not indexed is because they are in Latin and most people can’t read the stuff. I read medieval Latin, but I’m not sure that I can read it in small print. I may have to go back and get larger copies of the words because some of these are a little bit small. You can see, I didn’t highlight them, but this is for land in Southrope, in Herriard parish. So, we know that it is our John, although there are no signatures involved in this. This is more like a minute entry or recording where they just record the document. Maria Goodyer, I think, is the clue to John Rampton’s origin and his parents. I think that she is going to be a big clue. I think that your family is related to the major families of this area, although we haven’t found any marriages or anything of that kind – yet.
The next step to do is the wills. I’ll go into the wills for all of these additional families. I’ve made a list of the other names involved, so that I have them and can actually look at their wills as well.
Now, I’m going to pass these two maps around. You’ve seen the one map, but the other one you haven’t seen and it’s pretty straight forward. You can see exactly where these places are located and Southrope which is part of the time attached to Herriard Hundred and part of the time is attached to Odiham Hundred, and so it is in between. It is very possible that at one point it was part of what is known as Greywell. As I pass this map around, you’ll see where those places are right here and how close they all are. They are within a few miles of each other.
Hampshire Co. Img 701 Ancient Jurisdiction of the Manor of Basingstoke
Hampshire Co. Img 703, Victorian Map of Northern Hampshire, England
Hampshire Co. Img 703a, Victorian Map Title Page of Hampshire, England
Odiham Img 702, Domesday Book 1086, Odiham Description
Odiham Img 702a, Domesday Book 1086, Title Page
I went back through the tax rolls, and we know that our John was in Monk Sherbourne, which is a parish that we talked about before. I’ve estimated that he is going to be born about the time period of 1665-67. That’s just an estimate based upon when he marries first and when he has his first child. In 1665 we have this tax roll that covers everybody that had land holdings. All the Ramptons are included. I have written them and I’ll pass this just so you can see. I’ve highlighted them and they are listed, but I’ve summarized them, the ones that are in Greywell and the ones in Monk Sherbourne. These are going to be the Ramptons that John comes out of. I don’t know which one yet. So that is where we are. I am extremely excited about it. Some of the men that I have got here I have started family group sheets for them with the names of their children, when they are christened, death dates, and so forth. I don’t have everybody, but I do have some of them already started.
Now, the part that is always exciting for us as we do the research is the fact that there will be temple names that come out of this. Part of the reason for this is that the records for Odiham were not here at the Salt Lake Family History Library. They were acquired very, very recently, and so they haven’t been put into the IGI. They are not there for anybody else to access including Sue Daws who has the Rampton website in England. These people are not on her website. She didn’t know where John was attached, but she did speculate it was Francis, but had no idea. We have not eliminated Francis as a candidate for the father. There is still a lot of circumstancial evidence that say that he may be. He is going to be tied to some of these people too.
Then Odiham is where Stephen Rampton is the earliest identified Rampton so far. He is from Odiham, and he is the son of a John Rampton. We have his christening out of the Odiham records, so we are very excited about this and about the direction this research is taking. (This is not the same John Rampton. This is a John Rampton that is having children in the 1500’s. There are a lot of John Ramptons.)
There is an early Henry Rampton too. He is in the tax rolls.
There is a possibility that Rampton is a French surname, so you could be French. Hopefully we will have the proof.
The Rampton people are important people–they are landed people. It puts them into a different category of people, so they are much easier to document especially as we move to the time period where there are no parish registers, no births, no marriages, or any of those documents.
Question: Odiham is considered what?
Odiham is a hundred, which is like a district. Then it is a parish. There is also a town of Odiham. There is a manor of Odiham which covers the ownership of the land. Greywell is where a number of these Ramptons are living at the time they are taxed (1665), so their physical residence is actually within Greywell. As near as I can tell, Greywell is a manor within the manor of Odiham which is extremely confusing to me too. I am trying to determine exactly how it works. It does not appear that Greywell has it own records. It appears that they are classified and listed under Odiham. That is certainly the way they are on the tax rolls. When you look at the map, Greywell is just this little small place, but it’s also a manor and a parish according to everything I’ve collected on that place. There is sits. It is a physical place and has boundaries, but it does not appear to have its own records. Then we found that there were other parishes in that northern part of Hampshire that are also like that. They are a problem too. It’s a little bit tricky in trying to locate the records, but there are several classes of records that I haven’t even looked in yet that we have here in the Family History Library. So Carol, LaRaye, and I are very, very excited about this research.